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- uInterview with Brian Bagnall
-
- Interview Printed with permission from
- ? Brian Bagnall may be a name that the
- Commodore-community will remember: He
- is the author of a book named "The
- Spectacular Rise and Fall of
- Commodore", which seems pretty much
- the thing all "Commodorians" have
- waited for so long: a history of
- Commodore.
-
- Question 1) Brian, this is not the
- first book on computers you wrote.
- Your last one is about "Lego
- Mindstorms programming". Well, that's
- quite a difference: from a programming
- book to a historic view of a company.
- Can you tell us when (and why) did you
- get the idea to write this book?
-
- Brian I first had the idea in 2002,
- near the end of my last book. I
- started noticing there was far more
- Commodore nostalgia on the web than
- Apple, which seemed to conflict with
- the popular perception that Apple was
- the big dog back then. In the
- seventies, when the personal computer
- market kicked off, the TRS-80 (and
- even the Commodore PET) far outsold
- the Apple II, so Apple did not
- establish the personal computer market
- as Apple revisionists want you to
- believe. The thing that really got me
- into it was realizing that Commodore
- sold about 20 million C64s, yet for
- some reason Apple receives all the
- credit even though they only sold 5
- million Apple IIs. That just didn't
- make sense to me. Why was Commodore
- being ignored? It wasn't until late
- 2003 that I really got into the
- research and writing. Once I got into
- it, I knew there was an exciting
- story.
-
- Question 2) It was essential for you
- to interview people who were involved
- in those days - that's why the
- subtitle is "The Inside Story". What
- can the reader expect as a result of
- this and how close is the result to
- Michael Tomczyk's book (referring to
- the time he covered in his book)?
-
- Brian People who have read through the
- chapters say the interviews give a
- deeper picture of what was going on in
- the company. For me, the interviews
- really personalize the story. You get
- to know these people and what they
- went through to deliver some of these
- wonderful old machines.
-
- There were a lot of struggles.With due
- respect to Michael Tomczyk, this book
- will present a larger overview of
- Commodore than "The Home Computer
- Wars", which I have read.
-
- His book ends in early 1984 and mostly
- dealt with things at a managerial
- level. In my mind, the engineering
- story is at least as important as the
- marketing and business people. Also,
- he didn't use interviews or firsthand
- quotes very much, if at all. It was
- kind of Commodore as seen by Michael
- Tomczyk.
-
- Question 3) When does the book start,
- as your homepage lets us know that
- several chapters (that come to the
- readers mind first, like the Commodore
- typewriters and the calculators) were
- "Bonus Materials" not yet to be read?
-
- The book starts with MOS Technology,
- before Commodore purchased them. MOS
- Technology developed the 6502
- microprocessor, which revolutionized
- the personal computer industry and led
- to the Atari 2600 VCS, the Apple II,
- the Atari 400 and 800, and of course
- Commodore's computers. The typewriter
- and calculator chapters are complete
- but I didn't get any real interviews
- for those chapters. Maybe after the
- book is out, some of these people will
- approach me and I can land some
- interviews before I make them
- available.
-
- Question 4) The people you interviewed
- are mainly from Commodore US, so would
- you say that this is more or less the
- story of this part of "Commodore
- World"?
-
- Brian Yes. The story is told mainly
- from the real corporate headquarters'
- view of Commodore Business Machines.
- Really there was a thing called
- Commodore International Limited with
- "headquarters" in the Bahamas (a small
- rented office space with some desks),
- but that was set up for tax purposes.
- Jack Tramiel worked at Commodore
- Business Machines in the US, and that
- was really where the action took place
- as far as engineering the machines and
- making decisions.
-
- Europe, Australia, and Japan are
- mentioned a lot throughout the book,
- since they were always central to the
- survival of Commodore, but the
- international side of Commodore is
- probably a whole other story. You'll
- read about Bob Gleadow, the GM of
- Commodore UK, Harold Speyer of
- Commodore Germany, Kit Spencer, the
- marketing director of Commodore UK who
- later came to the US, Nigel Shepherd
- of Commodore Australia, and Tony Tokai
- of Commodore Japan, plus a few
- Japanese engineers.
-
- Question 5) How would you, with having
- an overview of Commodore now, evaluate
- the AMIGA-Computer? Premature baby,
- far beyond its time, a waste of money
- or something else?
-
- Brian Waste of money. Just kidding! It
- was definitely far ahead of its time.
- I don't think it was a perfect
- computer but it was revolutionary. It
- was the first truly multimedia
- personal computer and I don't think
- anyone would argue with that today.
- Unfortunately Commodore did not know
- how to communicate that to their
- potential customers and the machine
- did not survive as the (then) inferior
- Macintosh did.
-
- Question 6) Tramiel denied to get
- interviewed on Commodore - on the
- webpage commodorebook.com we can read
- "Jack has a strict no-Commodore
- interview policy." Could you dig out
- why so?
-
- Brian Chuck Peddle, one of the early
- Commodore engineers, says he got
- burned by a Baron's article that was
- very harsh on him. I think he
- cooperated with the article and they
- turned around and demolished him. He
- has given interviews about Commodore
- to German magazines from time to time,
- though, so maybe he just doesn't trust
- the North American media.
-
- He left on bad terms in 1984 and
- Commodore is probably not a happy
- memory for him or Sam Tramiel, his
- son. Leonard Tramiel seems a little
- more objective and he sounded
- frustrated that his father would not
- come out and set the record straight.
-
- Question 7) Co-Editors of your book
- are well-known Commodore experts like
- Jim Butterfield or Robert Bernardo.
- But had the interviewed people like
- Leonard Tramiel no interest in reading
- it before it gets released?
-
- Brian That's an excellent question. I
- thought long and hard about showing
- the finished chapters to Commodore
- people but decided against it. There
- is personal information about them in
- this book, and not all of it is
- flattering. I think it would take away
- from the objectiveness of the story to
- have those people involved in the
- editing process. For example, if I
- showed it to Leonard, he would do
- everything in his power to protect his
- father, even though Leonard seems like
- an honest person. I would have this
- pressure to remove the best parts and
- it would end up dulling the Commodore
- story rather than enhancing it.
-
- Instead, I decided to pull people who
- know a lot about the Commodore period.
- Guys like Martin Goldberg from Classic
- gaming, Gareth Knight from the Amiga
- History Guide, Ian from Commdore.ca,
- and Jim Butterfield (who was there
- when a lot of this stuff happened).
- These guys all have a love of the
- Commodore story as you can see from
- their web sites, and they have the
- knowledge to make sure the story is
- told accurately.
-
- Question 8) Finally, is there a chance
- that this book will be translated into
- German language, for example?
-
- Brian I think there is a very good
- chance. I've been contacted by at
- least three German publishers so far
- and the book isn't even out yet, so
- I'm going to try to pick the best one
- (which could be difficult considering
- I know nothing of the German
- publishing industry) and make a deal
- for the translation rights. Thanks for
- the interview!
-
- Brian Pleasure. Great questions!
-
- Book available from
- http://www.commodorebook.com/
-
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